My new website BharatShakti’s (www.BharatShakti.in) journey begins with best possible start. An exhaustive interview with India’s Defence Minister (Raksha Mantri) Manohar Parrikar.
Mr Parrikar talks freely and frankly, a reflection of the transparency he has always promised in the functioning of the Ministry of Defence. He dwells on policy issues, the grand contours of India’s $100 billion acquisition plans, indigenisation of defence production, giving the MSMEs their fair share, Strategic Partnership models and its symbiotic relationship with MSMEs, research and development.
He also elucidates issues regarding acquisition of strategic platforms, Chief of Defence Staff (CDS), a possible new promotion policy for top military leadership, the new Strike Corps, officer shortages and also One Rank One Pension.
It is a tell-all package that the reader is bound to find captivating. It is also a reflection of the commitment of the current Defence Minister to get the combat potential of the Indian Armed Forces in sync with India’s national objectives and foreign policy goals.
PART I
NG:
So what are your thoughts after a year in office?
RM:
Reflection of the past one year gives me the satisfaction that I could change a
lot of issues and handle a lot of priorities in defence.
Policy Issues
NG.
How are we progressing in terms of policy frameworks to guide equipment
induction?
RM.
There are some issues which are on the way to completion. For example Defence
Procurement Procedures; its review has been completed. It is in its last stages
of being finalized. Meanwhile, the urgent issues have been addressed. For example
Offset Policy, Policy on Complaints which was derailing the acquisitions
earlier, have been clearly spelt out.
NG:
For complaints, how have you changed the earlier method? Trivial complaints and
anonymous complaints; how will these be handled?
RM: If there is some component in an
anonymous complaint which has substance,
on verification found correct, action
will be initiated. However, complaint will not derail the process of procurement until
proven prima facie. So a complaint will
be processed along with the procurement; the process is not derailed. Secondly,
if the complaint comes from the participant, one of the tendering parties, if
it is found frivolous, he can be penalised. Of course, we have taken precautions
and will refer to the Ombudsman if any action has to be initiated, otherwise we
close it. Unless you find prima facie evidence
in the complaint, the process does not stop The acquisition process, which was
often getting derailed because of frivolous complaints – sometimes even
cancelled, has been stopped now.
That’s
one issue. Second issue – Offsets. We realised the earlier Offset rules had
some very regressive policies. Like, for example, you could not change the IOP (Indian
Operating Partner). This was a very unreasonable condition because Offsets are
executed over a long period of time. Sometimes the product becomes obsolete,
sometimes the IOP closes down. Services,
for example, was being kept out of the ambit.
These have been included. So most of the issues pertaining to offsets have been
addressed, matters regarding complaints have been addressed, foreign exchange
rate equalization – that means what was available to PSUs are also being now
granted to the private sector. PSUs were granted protection from fluctuation of
exchange rate. That is now granted to private sector.
It
was unfair actually, since we say that
it should be a level playing field. Level playing field is being insured for
local industries. For example, in Offsets, Buy Global, if it was an Indian
company, then you had to do 50% indigenous. Whereas for a foreign company it
was 30% Offset. So now we have levelled
it both at 30%. Like that even a price comparison now is being done without the
statutory taxes; because imported supplies do not undergo many of the taxes. These
are some intermediate steps which have been taken already. We intend to come out
with DPP 2015 before mid-December. We should be able to notify. So that should
change the pattern.
Acquisitions
Now
in the case of earlier RFPs, almost Rs 90,000 crores contracts have been signed
during my tenure. Another almost 70,000 crores are in the pipeline. They are in
the final stage. After the final approvals are obtained, they will be contracted. I expect in the next 6 months, another 50,000-60,000
crores. In the next six months, the total figure of contracts signed will be Rs 150-160,000 crores. And almost another Rs
95,000 crores are in negotiation stage. So in the 2nd year, you will
find around 1,30,000-1,40,000 crores contracts would have been signed. So, the earlier RFPs
are now being speeded up. I have to do it with caution because funds
availability also has to be worked out. I expect by March, at least one or two
contracts in guns procurement will be finalised and the supply will start next
year. Lot of similar exercises are being
done in missile, submarines, fighters, helicopters, and in the second year they
should be on the way.
NG:
What about Rafale?
RM:
Rafale is in final stages Commercial negotiations should be beginning any
moment. Of course the Paris incident may delay it by a couple of weeks.
NG:
So the 50% Offset has been agreed upon.
RM:
Overall framework is almost finalised. So commercial negotiations should be on,
could be on, but this incident might cause delay. But I expect by
December-January we should be in a position to close the deal.
In
defence, we have to look towards self-reliance. In the figure of Rs 90,000
crore that I gave you, almost 70 per cent is indigenous, Buy Indian or Buy and
Make in India. Only 30 per cent of the contracts are in the category of Buy
Global. The projects for which AONs (Acceptance of Necessity) have been
granted, the value is around Rs 1,05,000 crore. In that, almost 88 per cent is
Buy Indian and Buy and Make Indian. These AONs will be reflected in next year’s
contracts. Whatever AONs have been granted will be progressed to RFPs in the coming year. Lot of indigenisation
efforts are being put in. It is not easy to change the mindsets. But all the
armed forces have been given clear indication that they have to give priority
to Make in India and indigenisation and dependence on foreign source should be
reduced. Of course, if there is some technology issue, we can still go ahead
and get that but the trend is that by next year the ratio of 70:30 (imported to
indigenous content) should change by at least 10 per cent. So the target is
that annually you reduce the foreign component by 10 per cent so that in four
to five years, you reverse the ratio - from 70 per cent foreign import you go to 70
per cent indigenous content. You see, almost 20-25 per cent imported content is
inevitable. Some raw materials cannot be manufactured because of technology
gaps or lack of economies of scale and because the mineral is not available and
in some cases the quantum, the volume does not justify making it in India. It
will be too cost prohibitive.
DPP 2015
NG:
The rigid and opaque decision-making in MoD, has it been addressed?
RM:
The earlier DPPs were all procedure driven. In DPP 2015, we are considering an
arrangement where besides the procedure, of course we have to follow procedure,
but wherever unforeseen difficulties come, there should be a mechanism to fall
back on some principles. The preamble will basically describe the methods for
solution to fall back upon through a structured mechanism. Secondly, single
vendor situation is also being addressed. Whereas transparency demands there
have to be more than one entity in competition, after taking proper oversight
and after taking proper technological review, if a particular product’s SQRs
cannot be changed and there is no possibility of multi-vendor situation, single
vendor situation can be proceeded with proper precautions in the DPP itself.
Even
the SQR and field trial concept is under consideration to be modified. SQRs
should be based on operational requirements. And field trials should be based
on criteria that are generally available in existing equipment. In the case of costly equipment, and even the not so costly
equipment, a supplier cannot be expected to comply with all SQRs you require in
the trial samples. This aspect needs to be taken into consideration for field
trials to ensure wider participation.
Strategic Partners and MSMEs
NG:
What about the concept of choosing strategic partners?
RM:
Getting in Strategic partners does not mean they will be in all acquisitions.
It is only in the areas where technology i and investment are high you cannot
have multiple suppliers. Suppose you
want to set up an assembly line for manufacturing fighter planes with, how do
you select an entity ? There will hardly be one or two options. Very few will have
the financial muscle, technological capabilities and manufacturing ability. It
requires a well-established management set up. The items that we are talking about
are very few: submarines, helicopters, fighter planes and may be a couple of
more. Now this selection does not keep the MSME sector out of the scope. We can
always ask the strategic partners to ensure that so much percentage of the
indigenised content be reserved for the MSMEs or for that matter those who
source supplies from MSMEs may be given a higher weightage. There are many ways
of doing it.
NG:
How are you encouraging the MSME Sector?
RM:
We are in the process of finalising the DPP in which many difficulties faced by
MSMEs are being addressed to ensure that financial viabilities of MSMEs are
ensured and they are not pushed into a
financial crisis.
NG:
You are also looking at encouraging indigenous design and development?
RM:
Yes, indigenously designed and developed product is being given the top
priority and it will form a vital part of DPP 2015. But I want to make one point very clear: The
DPP even after finalisation may require changes depending on the difficulty we
face. Even after DPP 2015 is finalised it still has the possibility of further
correction to ensure smooth acquisition. It is not a static but a dynamic document. Of course the changes
can’t be too frequent. Transparency and changes are meant for giving everyone a
level playing field. It doesn’t mean you delay decision-making.
Policy: Agents and Representatives; Bans and
Blacklisting
NG:
What about the decision to not put a blanket ban on companies found in wrong
doing? And allowing authorised representatives?
RM:
This policy will come out along with DPP 2015. Agents are authorised
representatives only and not middlemen. We are going to define what agents
mean. Currently, this definition does not exist. A person who provides
technological expertise, management support for a fee which is reasonable and
which does not depend on the value of the contract or outcome—positive or
negative—of the contract, will be allowed as agent.
NG:
What about blacklisting policy?
RM:
The current policy is the moment allegations are made, the company is put on
hold/suspended or blacklisted. Now if anything suspicious is found, it will go
through the complaints procedure. If prima facie anything is found to be wrong,
notice will be issued and opportunity will be given to the party. But if it
is serious, then we may proceed with temporary measures. Temporary measures are,
for example, put on hold, suspend. Once temporary measures are initiated, a
designated committee will go into the merits of the case. If they find that
there is prima facie evidence of wrong doing, they will continue the temporary
measures. If they conclude there is nothing, they can withdraw the temporary
measures. There will be a timeline for temporary measures. If there is evidence
of serious fraud or wrong doing the committee can impose financial penalty,
invoke the integrity pact bond or impose cost as deemed fit or ban the supplier
.. The existing issues will also be dealt with by the same committee comprising
MoD officials and some experts with knowledge of vigilance matters etc.
Basically, what we are trying to do is to have a system that hands out graded
punishment commensurate with the magnitude of the wrong-doing. This is in the final
stage of being approved and will be issued along with DPP-2015.
DRDO and Product Upgrade
NG:
Coming to DRDO and other DPSU. Their performance has been mixed to put it
mildly. How would you correct the situation?
RM:
In the last one year, we have managed to reenergise them. There is finality to
some of their products. For example, some days ago, I inducted the locally
developed Torpedo-decoy system for Indian Navy ships.
NG:
What about LCA, although it is not directly DRDO?
RM:
Yes, the LCA model is being given a final shape . Let me tell you in product
development, nothing comes perfect, be it an Indian product or a foreign
product. Take the example of the Boeing P 8I. They have a long track record but
there were some hitches. Over the last two years, most of the hitches were
taken care of. The company reacted quickly and most of the issues are sorted
out now. There are still some issues but I am sure these will be taken care of
in the next one year, so that there is 100 per cent efficiency in this vital
asset.
If
that is the case with a well-established company like Boeing, how do I expect ADA or HAL
product to be perfect in the first instance? So we inducted the LCA and by
March 2016 most of the initial problems would be taken care of. And the production
line will be initiated and the first squadron of LCA will start flying for the
IAF. Once they start flying, further
problems, if any, will be sorted out over the first batch. In principle approval for first 100 LCA I A,
procurement has been accorded. As per requirement of the Air Force and as
agreed by all concerned.
By
mid-2016 we should have a very clear direction under Make in India for
submarines, helicopters, guns and aircraft and missiles. When I set a
timetable, this is MoD timetable but there are other intangibles that may delay
the programme a bit, but in 2016 we will have a very clear roadmap on these
five important programmes such as fighters planes, submarines, helicopters and
missiles.
Revenue Expenditure
NG:
These are all items of capital expenditure but how are you tackling the delays
in revenue procurements. Very often essential supplies get delayed when
decisions are not made quickly.
RM:
First of all, the bottlenecks in decision-making have to be cleared. Timeline
for clearances have to be compressed. We are monitoring every item now. For
example, in case of ammunition, the OFBs are being continuously exhorted to
improve efficiency and increase production. We are giving them five years
indent and clear orders three years in advance so that they can plan and source
their raw material in advance. From January, we are allowing them longer
duration rate contracts so that raw material becomes cheaper and assured.
Otherwise, they used to take a lot of time in finalising supplies. This year, OFB
has delivered around 15 per cent higher output with improved quality. So by
2017, my ammunition requirement should be adequately addressed.
PART II
Decision
on CDS in the next few months: Parrikar
If in Part I of his
interview Raksha Mantri Manohar Parrikar,
spoke about the
way forward in defence acquisition, in Part II, he elaborates on several key
issues of structural reforms in the Defence Ministry, including appointment of
a CDS, on why merit cum seniority and not just date of birth should be the
criteria for promotions at the highest level. He also discussed about restructuring of
DRDO, OROP, the Mountain Strike Corps and why he has nothing to do with the
decision to shift the venue of Defexpo to Goa! Read on
Acquisition of Strategic Assets
NG:
How are you going to address critical gaps in India’s defence preparedness: Air
Defence Artillery, Field Artillery, and Submarines, all these are in short
supply. Will you go for some critical purchases? Will the OFB manufactured gun
also be one of the major inductions?RM:
A few issues have been decided. We are working on a submarine improvement plan
for the first time. Initially, for submarines we have asked Mazagaon Docks,
Scorpene submarines; to speed up the process. We are considering whether we
need a few more of that class. Some other submarines, through the Make in India
route; it will take another six months to decide who is the Strategic Partner.
Air Defence (AD) guns are being looked into, I wouldn’t like to give the
details now, but we are also working on S400 Russian weapon system. We are also
upgrading the existing AD systems; it should take care of immediate
requirements. I think, in the next two to three years the gap should be
addressed.
NG:
You had been to Russia recently, what is the status of the 5th Generation
Fighter Aircraft project?
RM:
The meetings have started. We are working on the next stage of designing,
research and development and the same is expected to be concluded at the
earliest.
NG:
What about the concerns over poor serviceability of Su-30 aircraft? Did you
convey it to the Russians?
RM:
The issue has been highlighted and our concerns conveyed. The Russians have
promised to ensure that spare parts will be made available smoothly and the
availability of the platform improved. Some of the spares may be covered under
Make in India programme.
NG:
What about our strategic platforms, is India negotiating with the Russians for
leasing one more nuclear submarine? We were also working on our own. How is
India’s own nuclear submarine programme progressing?
RM:
All strategic programmes are progressing as per schedule.
NG:
One question about the Mountain Strike Corps what is the status now?
RM:
Regarding Mountain Strike Corps, the same was approved without considering
adequate financial requirement. However by re-adjusting certain aspects of
capital expenditure, we will ensure that the same is properly raised and used.
NG:
So, where is the money? We have so many plans, so many sanctions. Are you
getting adequate money from the government?
RM:
I think the current amount which is given, though I will not say it is an
excellent amount, but the amount if used judiciously for the right procurement
the gaps in modernization can be removed in the next three to four years.
Judicious use of money is required. What I would say that there were something
like 300 and odd proposals. They have been now been segregated into very-very
urgent, urgent and not so urgent. Prioritization of acquisition can ensure that
modernization programme of the armed forces is on track in the next two years.
Structural Reforms
NG:
You separated the posts of DG, DRDO and Scientific Advisor to Raksha Mantri. Has
that arrangement worked out better?
RM:
I am satisfied with the arrangement DG, DRDO is also Secretary, R&D and the
workload of these two posts virtually made the additional responsibility (of Scientific
Adviser) impossible to handle.
NG
Going ahead further with structural reforms in the way the ministry and the
armed forces function, are you looking at some of the fundamental changes and reforms
suggested by the Kargil Review Committee or the Naresh Chandra Committee?
RM:
If you are referring to CDS or whatever name it's to be called, it’s being
actively looked into. As of now, it’s in the final stage of consultations. I
think in the next few months, it should be on board.
NG:
So the CDS will be basically looking at coordinating and getting the
procurements of the three services together? What is the kind of role
that is being envisaged?
RM:
The role which has been envisaged has been worked out. So that while the
three services remain more or less intact as it is, certain aspects will be
handled by the CDS; basically coordinate the joint effort on procurement, so
that the cost is reduced and the duplication and time lag, time period is
reduced.
Review of Top Level
Promotion Policy
NG:
So you are acting seriously on this issue? What about a long standing feeling
that date of birth alone becomes a criteria for promotions at the highest
level? Are you looking at reviewing some of those systems and practices?
RM:
I think these are issues that need consideration and we should ensure that
military leadership at the highest level be the best.
NG:
And merit should be the criteria?
RM:
Merit should be also considered, at the same time, seniority does count. So a
proper framework needs to be worked out. These are issues that need consultations
and discussions before any finality is achieved.
NG:
So, will you work on that?
RM:
Let me work on CDS first wherein the appropriate selection process could be
considered through proper mechanism to ensure best outcome.
Officer Shortage
NG:
How are you tackling the shortage of officers in the military?
RM:
One is Short Service Commission needs to be made attractive so that we engage
more short service officers, thereby reducing the gap. The gap is more because
more posts are created. It’s not exactly because there is a shortage. We
are filling up the gap at the rate of 500 to 1000 per year. I think, used
efficiently even the slight shortage can be taken care of. One of the ways is
to encourage women officers in certain services.
NG:
For Permanent Commission too?
RM:
In some areas, yes.
Welfare
Measures
NG:
What about welfare measures for soldiers, for instance more married
accommodation etc.
RM:
For the first time we have speeded up the construction of married accommodation
projects. This year they exhausted entire year’s budget by October. So we had
to allot more budget to them. We are now constructing quarters/dwellings at the
rate of 1200 units per month. So this year itself we will double the numbers
which were completed in the last ten years - last eight years. This year the
number is more than double
NG:
More than what was achieved in the last eight years?
RM:
Yes. The number of units of married accommodation completed in Phase II was
around 9,000 out of around 69,000 taken up in the previous year. This year, the
figure has already crossed 17,000 units.
NG:
Now coming to OROP. The veterans are unhappy and say, this is not what they
asked for. What is your take?
RM:
Based on consultations, the OROP principle has been accepted which fulfills the
long standing demand for more than 40 years. This has been done in spite of a
huge financial burden of Rs 8,000 crore per year. As regards the period of
upgradation (equalization) once in five years, the same was as per the
Koshiyari Committee report. The issue of PMR has been addressed. As regards to
prospective implementation of PMR not to be covered under OROP, let me assure
that the same will be addressed appropriately in consultation with the armed
forces based on their requirements. There are few other minor issues which
could be addressed through the judicial commission. Let me assure the veterans
that all grievances of theirs will be addressed appropriately and they should
not fall prey to those who try and create confusion or spread malicious
information.
DefExpo
NG: There was this rumour about you shifting the
Defence Expo to Goa, what’s the reality?
RM:
First of all the decision was taken long before I became Defence
Minister. The problem came up because the Pragati Maidan was not available. In
2013 itself, this was communicated. During earlier regime the decision to shift
it to various locations was considered. Goa was considered as a preferred
location. When it came to me, I gave specific ruling.
NG:
So it wasn’t your favoured location, it was done earlier.
RM:
No it wasn’t my favoured location. The decision was taken earlier. The
important issue is, Pragati Maidan was very clearly indicated as not available
and therefore some alternative had to be decided in which Goa was recommended
by the concerned as most favoured location.
